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Question 99

1 If it turned out that there was a god and that god is not dissimilar to the god of the fundies (http:www.tencommandments.org), would you oppose him, in the certain knowledge that such opposition has no hope of success, and that by opposing him, in full knowledge of the consequences, choose unending agony post-mortem as a consequence of what you know to be right? (no getting out of the question by assuming that hell is a place of hedonism. For the purpose of the question, you must assume that 'they' are right.)

• Yes, I would oppose the Psycho God of the fundies. He's a monster, according to their own wholly babble. He and Hitler would be great friends. Hmmm... may be Hitler was the Second Coming... (Keith Brannen #713)

• Absolutely. I'd sooner slit my wrists and go to that hell right now then worship a monster. (Frank Wustner #119)

• Get 'it' into a quick fire question and answer session and point out a few contradictions, and hope that it disappeared in a puff of logic (a la HHGTTG) to its own hell before it fragged me.

  Apart from the environment, hell will have lots of good company, and no fundies. (Steve Critchlow #433)

• I would have to oppose him based on my own morals. I could never willingly serve a murderous tyrant. Besides, if God is the same as the one the fundies worship, he'll know in my heart what I feel about him. (Dan McEwen #1617)

• I cannot get my mind in the proper frame of mind to answer this. I just can't make that much of an imaginative leap. Other gods, _no problem_; but monotheistic fundamentalist gods are just too much. I cannot possibly imagine how I would react if the fundies were right. My best guess is complete catatonia, as a way of opting out. (Aaron I. Spielman #1467)

• Assuming for the moment that FundyGod exists, as written in the Christian Bible, the right thing to do would be to oppose it, for by it's own actions (as recorded in said bible) it has shown that it is evil. The ideas that history is written by the victors and that "Lucifer" means light-bringer, also come to mind, as in Yahweh would want to keep humanity in the dark as to its real nature.

  Of course, Yahweh and Lucifer are fairy tales, but we can fight evil and injustice here and now, with tolerence and understanding. We can, in effect, become Light Bringers ourselves. (Eric #1532)

• From all that I have learned this year from lurking in the ng, and from my own personal feelings that have developed in questioning my previous faith I think that the infamous quote from Milton can express my feelings on this question: "Here we may reign secure; and in my choice To reign is worth ambition, though in hell: Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." John Milton, Paradise Lost

  (Ernest Dumenigo #1316)

• OK, I'll play.

  First a statement: This has to be a really well-formed but implausible question. It posits that there is a god and, I'm assuming, that we suddenly "know" this. This proposition is incredibly fatalistic. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't, literally. This god would be demanding fealty that would be incompatible with conscience. The god of the fundies is the personification of childish cruelty. This is the guy who burns his little army men just because he can, while inventing excuses for doing so.

  But you'd be insane to not go along.

  This is similar to real down-to-earth situations in totalitarian governments or other authoritarian situations where you just keep your mouth shut and do your job, as was done in the Nazi prison camps. Even though you know what you're doing is wrong, you do it to avoid an even more feared punishment.

  If this god was real, I would suspect that it was a test of my integrity. I would probably be the one idiotic enough to stand up to him and spend eternity in pain.

  But then, I'm a devotee of the Last Great Act of Defiance. When they come for me, I'll be ready. :-) (Herk #1627)

  Nah. I would do whatever he wanted. Straight away. No questions. He's obviously a psychopathic schizophrenic monster, but I never hold that against someone. Especially when they're bigger than me. And anyway, it's a bit daft claiming to be an atheist because there's no evidence for a god if he's standing three feet away from you crumbling planets between thumb and forefinger. Wouldn't you say? (Rupert Goodwins)

• It would take an awful lot to convince me that some being claiming to be Yahweh would in fact be just what the fundies say it is. I would definitely oppose it, with every thing I could think of, because there would still be the suspicion that some powerful being is just having fun with us by pretending to be a mythical figure.

  The only way I'd bow to such a monster is if it somehow convinced me that everything in the Bible is just what it wanted us to know. If I was convinced that the only way to avoid eternal torture was to become a slave to Jesus, then I would, because that would be the rational thing to do. But how could it convince me? I suspect it would have to "change" (literally!) my mind, so that I *would* be convinced. Would I be the same person, though? I don't think so.

  If it didn't tamper with my mind directly, but just relied on showing me things in its attempt at conversion, then I'm confident that I'm skeptical enough to not trust it or its motives. I'd be convinced that it was trying to trick me for some reason, so I'd fight it. (Carl Funk #1229)

• *IF* this were true- I would not only oppose him, I would do my best to corrupt every living human being on the planet to reject him as a false God. I would do my best to see that every one of his creations rejected him. It would be the only form of vengeance available to me; making sure that every last one of his creations I could possibly corrupt would be going to Hell, denying him the satisfaction of having won anything. I would burn in hell forever, but I would do it *gladly* - if the fundamentalist god loves us as much as he hates us, it would cause him pain if I followed this path, and more pain if I convinced others to do so. I would revel in his pain.

  A god such as the one worshipped by the fundamentalist Christians is a sickening perversion of morality; a warped and twisted monster that is worse than our most horrifying childhood nightmares. I would never accept such a being as my lord or god. Ever- he would not deserve it. Hatred, manipulation, petty vengeance, torture and rape do not deserve to be repaid with love. (Corey Snow)