. If you became an atheist after some kind of disappointment,
why did you remain an atheist after you gave up the disappointment?
I did feel disappointment for a while after my deconversion, but in time even
that went away. (John Hachmann #1782)
If some kind of "mad at god" scenario is implied by the question, then the question
does not apply to me. How could one get mad at God? One might as well get upset at
their child's imaginary playmate when they say something like, "My, how *fat*
Auntie Helga is looking these days..." (Avender #88)
I decided I would use a "rite" of the protestant church: At the age of 17, you
attend regular discussions and are then officially a member (the Catholics do it
at age 6-8). The protestant church I am talking about is the Evangelische Kirche
H.B. (Austria) which is really progressive.
Needless to say, although the discussions were rather interesting, and any doubts
or signs of freethinking were encouraged, I didn't find what I had set out to find.
It wasn't a huge disappointment, though. I did not come up empty. I learned that
religion need not contain even a grain of truth to work and I met someone who is
now a good friend. Those were the first words we spoke:
"Do you believe any of this?"
"No."
"Me neither." (darwinian #1727)
I truly wanted to believe. I thought that I was the only one who didn't believe.
The disappointment ended when I realized that I wasn't. I didn't realize just how
many atheists there were until I started posting here. Then I became more confident
with being different in this respect and became more open. Being more open allowed
other to be more open with me and I found that people all over the place were
actually atheists, they just didn't talk about it. In other words, they were like
me.
I realized then that the religious people I knew had it backwards. You always hear
them talk about how much peace religion brings and that atheists much not know
peace. I see it as just the opposite. They are constantly talking about tests to
their faith, fear of an angry god (ie hell), and how they reconcile, on a regular
basis, their faith with their reality. Often this last seems to take a lot of work.
This hardly seems like peace to me. Sure they can always make themselves feel
better when someone dies, but their are a lot of ways to do that.
As an atheist, I feel more peace because I stopped "trying" so hard to make god
make sense. I would be willing to bet I'm no more alone on that than I was on
being an atheist in the first place. (ClayeSkye #4)
"Ask and you shall recieve, knock and the door shall be opened."
Well, after I was raped, naturally the only question I asked was; "why?"
Now keep in mind, up until this point, I has always asked and always gotten what
I thought was an answer. I now realize that the answers came from my own deductive
thinking processes, but at the time, I got no answer, and was mystified.
So I went looking, and studied the bible intensly, and found no answers. And no
relief. If you ask god to end the pain, to take the edge off some of the suffering,
would god be a liar if he didn't do it? After all, Jesus said, "Anything you pray
for, shall be given to you."
Well, the pain never went away. It still hasn't gone away. The only difference is
I stopped praying. It was this event in my life that changed me. In fact, I can
say with great confidance that had I not been raped, I probably never would have
doubted my faith. That is the ONLY good thing I can pull from the experience, it
took the blinders off me.
I went back years later, because I was still unhappy. But I found I could not sit
in a church and let my lips speak a lie. The whole thing disgusted me and I was
very angry for a long time. But the anger died away and I was able to approach the
subject with a calm mind. I studied the bible even more intensly and discovered
the god therein to be a hateful monster. I renounced christianity for good.
I studied Islam, Judaism, and Budhism to a point. I even delved into some New Age
stuff. But it all sounded the same. Finally I deduced the mystery was too big for
me and called myself agnostic.
Then one day I realized that the god question was, for me anyway, irrelevant. If
there is a god (which I see no evidence of), it has no meaning to me personally
and has no impact on the world that I can discern. What is the difference between
this and no god at all? There really isn't one.
This is where I came to atheism. I suppose I expected something to change within.
And something has. I am discovering long held reserves about the idea of god that
I never knew I had. I am very uncomfortable with the word 'atheist' in reference
to myself, and I am pondering why. I think it's because somewhere deep down I have
stepped over some invisible line, or broken some long held taboo, and this is the
source of the discomfort.
Last night I had a dream which I believe illustrates this point beautifully - I
left my grandmother's home after a long talk, and a dog attacked me. I asked the
*dog* what he was doing and he replied, "Sending you to hell." And I said, "Why?"
And he said, "because you denied ME." And I, laughing at his silliness, "There is
no such place as hell." And the dog said, "Yes there is." And I said, "Where is it
then?" And the dog said, "It's In YOUR MIND." Suddenly I found myself alone in an
almost completely dark hallway. I was running down this dark hallway and was very
afraid. I calmed myself by saying it was only a dream, and this was not hell, but
rather some part of myself I had yet to face. After I said these words I woke up.
I ran into the darkness and faced it.
There is nothing to fear. (Julie Kale #1029)
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